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	<title>Comments on: Overlord &#038; The Futility of War</title>
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		<title>by: futurestar</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-2465</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Overlord is very compelling. A stoic look at the British buildup to D Day as seen from archived war footage and an innocent young soldier lost in his dream of a death march to the beaches of Normandy. Key historical film footage has been deftly cut in to help flush out the thread of this single soldier's story. Envision the left field looking inward, a gutsy read on war turned inside out. 

Where is the glory? What does this say about the nature of conflict and cost to country, life, and liberty? Plenty. Awash in terrific extras typical of the Criterion challenge, Overlord is no exception when taken as a whole. This crafty film with support material is solid and leaves an indelible mark in annals of WW II history. 

Take this stroll down a lazy country lane into the legions of some  unknown hell. Not likely to leave you anytime soon, Stuart Cooper and cohorts spent years in research to present this singular telling in 1975. Revived in 2007 it couldn't look better. War buffs will drool. Film noir freaks will clamor. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Overlord is very compelling. A stoic look at the British buildup to D Day as seen from archived war footage and an innocent young soldier lost in his dream of a death march to the beaches of Normandy. Key historical film footage has been deftly cut in to help flush out the thread of this single soldier&#8217;s story. Envision the left field looking inward, a gutsy read on war turned inside out. </p>
	<p>Where is the glory? What does this say about the nature of conflict and cost to country, life, and liberty? Plenty. Awash in terrific extras typical of the Criterion challenge, Overlord is no exception when taken as a whole. This crafty film with support material is solid and leaves an indelible mark in annals of WW II history. </p>
	<p>Take this stroll down a lazy country lane into the legions of some  unknown hell. Not likely to leave you anytime soon, Stuart Cooper and cohorts spent years in research to present this singular telling in 1975. Revived in 2007 it couldn&#8217;t look better. War buffs will drool. Film noir freaks will clamor.
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		<title>by: Jon Ward</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-1776</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:20:56 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-1776</guid>
					<description>Oh I just watched this film, and now I want to watch it again! It is so subtle and poetic. One of the things I loved was the way that Stuart Cooper created the connection between Tom and his country, the countryside, not in a patriotic or an aesthetic way but a more diffuse sense, partly from all the aerial shots as he is travelling, that he is of the country and the country is at war and so he must be sacrificed.

I wouldn't say that it's about the futility of war. The war is undesirable, everyone in the film hates it, but then nobody would ever claim that war is a good idea or desirable. Like Kurt Vonnegut says in Slaughterhouse 5, you might as well write an anti-glacier book as an anti-war book. I think this film gets its strength from not getting tangled up in that sort of straightforward agitprop.

For me it was really about what is might have been like for someone like me to have been in that war. I have always wondered about that, and I think I have more of an idea now than I did before. Tom is weirdly disconnected from everything around him, almost like Meursault in The Outsider, but I can really see how one might react like that faced with the brutal, crushing world of military training. 

Most of all I found this film incredibly moving, I hardly knew why it affected me so much. The emotion, the sense of tragedy just built and built all the way through and has stayed with me afterwards. It is really worth watching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh I just watched this film, and now I want to watch it again! It is so subtle and poetic. One of the things I loved was the way that Stuart Cooper created the connection between Tom and his country, the countryside, not in a patriotic or an aesthetic way but a more diffuse sense, partly from all the aerial shots as he is travelling, that he is of the country and the country is at war and so he must be sacrificed.</p>
	<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say that it&#8217;s about the futility of war. The war is undesirable, everyone in the film hates it, but then nobody would ever claim that war is a good idea or desirable. Like Kurt Vonnegut says in Slaughterhouse 5, you might as well write an anti-glacier book as an anti-war book. I think this film gets its strength from not getting tangled up in that sort of straightforward agitprop.</p>
	<p>For me it was really about what is might have been like for someone like me to have been in that war. I have always wondered about that, and I think I have more of an idea now than I did before. Tom is weirdly disconnected from everything around him, almost like Meursault in The Outsider, but I can really see how one might react like that faced with the brutal, crushing world of military training. </p>
	<p>Most of all I found this film incredibly moving, I hardly knew why it affected me so much. The emotion, the sense of tragedy just built and built all the way through and has stayed with me afterwards. It is really worth watching.
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		<title>by: cinebeats</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-194</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 02:10:22 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-194</guid>
					<description>Thanks so much for stopping by and saying hello Stuart! I really loved your film and it's got me interested in seeking out more of your work. Right now - during a time of war - films like &lt;b&gt;Overlord&lt;/b&gt; are more important than ever. I look forward to seeing any new work you produce.

Thanks again!

Colin - I hope you enjoyed the film!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks so much for stopping by and saying hello Stuart! I really loved your film and it&#8217;s got me interested in seeking out more of your work. Right now - during a time of war - films like <b>Overlord</b> are more important than ever. I look forward to seeing any new work you produce.</p>
	<p>Thanks again!</p>
	<p>Colin - I hope you enjoyed the film!
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		<title>by: Stuart Cooper</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-192</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 23:51:47 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-192</guid>
					<description>Thank you Cinebet! Love your page and the response to Overlord is encouraging.  A new generation of viewers are clearly interested, there will be a follow-up.
Best,
Stuart Cooper, Director</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thank you Cinebet! Love your page and the response to Overlord is encouraging.  A new generation of viewers are clearly interested, there will be a follow-up.<br />
Best,<br />
Stuart Cooper, Director
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		<title>by: colin</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-184</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 01:26:53 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-184</guid>
					<description>Never had heard of this film either and a free copy of the dvd somehow landed in my hands. On your recommendation it goes straight to the top of my must watch stack for tonights viewing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Never had heard of this film either and a free copy of the dvd somehow landed in my hands. On your recommendation it goes straight to the top of my must watch stack for tonights viewing!
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		<title>by: AR</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-176</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:42:21 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Many would argue the character of Lawrence in the film is different than the real man, not only in the physical sense.  But yes, I agree he is presented as more well rounded.  He was more complex and eccentric than Patton.

You're probably right about Homer, but I don't think that excuses it as a great work of literature.  It's not purely dumb entertainment or propaganda, which is primarily what separates it from all the bad war films of the last century.  It's enduring for a reason.

It seems that &quot;based on true events&quot; goes well beyond war films, though, doesn't it?  I think we Americans are a bit plagued by this idea of really real true stories.  Generally, I'm pretty ambivalent, but I'm not drawn to simplistic heroism.

Oh, I saw &quot;Colonel Blimp&quot; a while back, which oddly covered one of the major themes in &quot;Patton,&quot; basically the changes in modern warfare since WWI.  Didn't like it as much, but it's a great portrait of a completely fictional military officer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Many would argue the character of Lawrence in the film is different than the real man, not only in the physical sense.  But yes, I agree he is presented as more well rounded.  He was more complex and eccentric than Patton.</p>
	<p>You&#8217;re probably right about Homer, but I don&#8217;t think that excuses it as a great work of literature.  It&#8217;s not purely dumb entertainment or propaganda, which is primarily what separates it from all the bad war films of the last century.  It&#8217;s enduring for a reason.</p>
	<p>It seems that &#8220;based on true events&#8221; goes well beyond war films, though, doesn&#8217;t it?  I think we Americans are a bit plagued by this idea of really real true stories.  Generally, I&#8217;m pretty ambivalent, but I&#8217;m not drawn to simplistic heroism.</p>
	<p>Oh, I saw &#8220;Colonel Blimp&#8221; a while back, which oddly covered one of the major themes in &#8220;Patton,&#8221; basically the changes in modern warfare since WWI.  Didn&#8217;t like it as much, but it&#8217;s a great portrait of a completely fictional military officer.
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		<title>by: cinebeats</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-175</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:21:54 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-175</guid>
					<description>I suppose &lt;b&gt;Lawrence of Arabia&lt;/b&gt; could be an example of what I consider a great war film. I think it's a brilliant movie and as much as it celebrates T. E. Lawrence's life (much like Patton celebrates George S. Pattons life), it's a much more well rounded film that deals with really important issues like the cause of war as well as the effects. It also allows room for other important figures to present themselves and their ideas, etc.

Historically speaking, I actually think &lt;b&gt; Lawrence of Arabia&lt;/b&gt; actually does a pretty decent job of portraying T. E. Lawrence and the events it lays out with plenty of cinematic excess of course. I do find Lawrence to be a much more interesting, likable and fascinating character compared to Patton, so I'm sure that colors my view of both films as well.

I'd fault Homer (who often wanted to glorify war), but not Dickens who was using war as a backdrop to tell what I thought was a very even handed and thoughtful story, espically considering when it was written.

What I find most repulsive is modern films that claim to be &quot;based on historic facts&quot; and they go out of their way to stress their &quot;realism&quot; and &quot;historical&quot; importance, but are really just pro-America, pro-war propaganda made by modern directors that should know better by now.

Spielberg and his &lt;b&gt;Saving Private Ryan&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;b&gt;Band of Brothers&lt;/b&gt; are both great example of the kind of modern war cinema that I loathe along with stuff like Michael Bay's horrible &lt;b&gt;Pearl Harbor&lt;/b&gt;.

I enjoy chatting about films so no worries about the lengthy discussion! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I suppose <b>Lawrence of Arabia</b> could be an example of what I consider a great war film. I think it&#8217;s a brilliant movie and as much as it celebrates T. E. Lawrence&#8217;s life (much like Patton celebrates George S. Pattons life), it&#8217;s a much more well rounded film that deals with really important issues like the cause of war as well as the effects. It also allows room for other important figures to present themselves and their ideas, etc.</p>
	<p>Historically speaking, I actually think <b> Lawrence of Arabia</b> actually does a pretty decent job of portraying T. E. Lawrence and the events it lays out with plenty of cinematic excess of course. I do find Lawrence to be a much more interesting, likable and fascinating character compared to Patton, so I&#8217;m sure that colors my view of both films as well.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;d fault Homer (who often wanted to glorify war), but not Dickens who was using war as a backdrop to tell what I thought was a very even handed and thoughtful story, espically considering when it was written.</p>
	<p>What I find most repulsive is modern films that claim to be &#8220;based on historic facts&#8221; and they go out of their way to stress their &#8220;realism&#8221; and &#8220;historical&#8221; importance, but are really just pro-America, pro-war propaganda made by modern directors that should know better by now.</p>
	<p>Spielberg and his <b>Saving Private Ryan</b> and <b>Band of Brothers</b> are both great example of the kind of modern war cinema that I loathe along with stuff like Michael Bay&#8217;s horrible <b>Pearl Harbor</b>.</p>
	<p>I enjoy chatting about films so no worries about the lengthy discussion! ;)
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		<title>by: AR</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-173</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:45:13 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I was thinking about Patton more yesterday, and I agree.  It's not a war movie in the straight sense, rather a character sketch and more like a sketch of how a persona is built.  In a way, the rest of the cast, excepting Malden perhaps, is supposed to be lifeless.  Or at the very least, it's an unavoidable side effect of having a character is so much larger than life (that being sort of the idea).

I agree with some of what you're saying about war films.  It's never been a genre that's held much interest, excluding films that are marginally considered war films, like Patton or Lawrence of Arabia.
But I don't think any film, excluding documentaries of course, based on history or biography can claim total accuracy.  It's all fiction and mythology.  Would you fault Homer for bringing gods into the Trojan War?  Or Dickens for making up characters who participate in the French Revolution?

Ack!  I appear to be in the mood for lengthy discussions this morning.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I was thinking about Patton more yesterday, and I agree.  It&#8217;s not a war movie in the straight sense, rather a character sketch and more like a sketch of how a persona is built.  In a way, the rest of the cast, excepting Malden perhaps, is supposed to be lifeless.  Or at the very least, it&#8217;s an unavoidable side effect of having a character is so much larger than life (that being sort of the idea).</p>
	<p>I agree with some of what you&#8217;re saying about war films.  It&#8217;s never been a genre that&#8217;s held much interest, excluding films that are marginally considered war films, like Patton or Lawrence of Arabia.<br />
But I don&#8217;t think any film, excluding documentaries of course, based on history or biography can claim total accuracy.  It&#8217;s all fiction and mythology.  Would you fault Homer for bringing gods into the Trojan War?  Or Dickens for making up characters who participate in the French Revolution?</p>
	<p>Ack!  I appear to be in the mood for lengthy discussions this morning.  ;)
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		<title>by: cinebeats</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-168</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:09:19 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-168</guid>
					<description>Hello AR! Do give &lt;b&gt;Overlord&lt;/b&gt; a look when you have a chance. I think you'd find it really interesting.

My jab wasn't at George C. Scott specifically, it was more of a jab at the typical macho heroes that often walk through a lot of war films and have become part of the American myths about war, soldiers, masculinity and the bizarre notions of what a hero is.

I thought Patton was okay, but overall I think it's an overrated film. I do like Scott the actor a lot and think he's very good with the material he's working with, but the film makes Patton larger than life and the rest of the cast seems lifeless. The movie is really more about the myth of Patton instead of the actual man himself and the script is loaded with pro-America rhetoric with not much else to balance it out.

I love fantasy films and fiction, but I get a little annoyed when filmmakers turn history into fantasy and fiction. War is an especially nasty area to mess around with and so many filmmakers inject fantasy into war films. It's kind of shocking to me that movies like &lt;b&gt;Flyboys&lt;/b&gt; can get made today and I recently watched the critically acclaimed &lt;b&gt;Saving Private Ryan&lt;/b&gt; which I thought was just horrible and filled with leftover cliché's from the 1940s and 50s.

Compared to &lt;b&gt;Saving Private Ryan&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;b&gt;Patton&lt;/b&gt; is pretty good stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hello AR! Do give <b>Overlord</b> a look when you have a chance. I think you&#8217;d find it really interesting.</p>
	<p>My jab wasn&#8217;t at George C. Scott specifically, it was more of a jab at the typical macho heroes that often walk through a lot of war films and have become part of the American myths about war, soldiers, masculinity and the bizarre notions of what a hero is.</p>
	<p>I thought Patton was okay, but overall I think it&#8217;s an overrated film. I do like Scott the actor a lot and think he&#8217;s very good with the material he&#8217;s working with, but the film makes Patton larger than life and the rest of the cast seems lifeless. The movie is really more about the myth of Patton instead of the actual man himself and the script is loaded with pro-America rhetoric with not much else to balance it out.</p>
	<p>I love fantasy films and fiction, but I get a little annoyed when filmmakers turn history into fantasy and fiction. War is an especially nasty area to mess around with and so many filmmakers inject fantasy into war films. It&#8217;s kind of shocking to me that movies like <b>Flyboys</b> can get made today and I recently watched the critically acclaimed <b>Saving Private Ryan</b> which I thought was just horrible and filled with leftover cliché&#8217;s from the 1940s and 50s.</p>
	<p>Compared to <b>Saving Private Ryan</b>, <b>Patton</b> is pretty good stuff.
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		<title>by: AR</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-167</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:31:19 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The stills from this look fantastic.  I've never heard of the film, but I will make an effort to check it out, especially since you compare it so well to &quot;Johnny Got His Gun.&quot;

I notice the jab at George C. Scott, presumably for &quot;Patton.&quot;  What do you think of the film?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The stills from this look fantastic.  I&#8217;ve never heard of the film, but I will make an effort to check it out, especially since you compare it so well to &#8220;Johnny Got His Gun.&#8221;</p>
	<p>I notice the jab at George C. Scott, presumably for &#8220;Patton.&#8221;  What do you think of the film?
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		<title>by: Jeff Duncanson</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-162</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:12:41 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Will do.</description>
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		<title>by: cinebeats</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-161</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 04:03:59 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for the comment Jeff! I hope you get a chance to see the film soon. I'd like to read your thoughts about &lt;b&gt;Overlord&lt;/b&gt; so if you do watch it please share your own thoughts about the movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for the comment Jeff! I hope you get a chance to see the film soon. I&#8217;d like to read your thoughts about <b>Overlord</b> so if you do watch it please share your own thoughts about the movie.
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		<title>by: Jeff Duncanson</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-160</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:30:25 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>This has been on my want-to see list ever since I read about its re-emergence a year or so ago. I didn't realize Criterion had released it.

Nice review, Kimberley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This has been on my want-to see list ever since I read about its re-emergence a year or so ago. I didn&#8217;t realize Criterion had released it.</p>
	<p>Nice review, Kimberley.
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		<title>by: cinebeats</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-159</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:22:47 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks Jeremy! I like some 60s &amp;amp; 70s era war films and a handful of modern ones but so many of them are just dreadful. I hate the way that the horrible clichés left over from the 40s and 50s are still seen today in recent war films. Filmmakers have a lot to answer for in regards to creating so many myths around war and what being a solider means.

Thankfully once in awhile I come across a great film like &lt;b&gt;Overlord&lt;/b&gt; that really knocks my socks off. I wish I could have articulated why I liked the film a bit better, but I wanted to say something about it since the movie really impressed me.

The screenshots a took speak volumes though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks Jeremy! I like some 60s &amp; 70s era war films and a handful of modern ones but so many of them are just dreadful. I hate the way that the horrible clichés left over from the 40s and 50s are still seen today in recent war films. Filmmakers have a lot to answer for in regards to creating so many myths around war and what being a solider means.</p>
	<p>Thankfully once in awhile I come across a great film like <b>Overlord</b> that really knocks my socks off. I wish I could have articulated why I liked the film a bit better, but I wanted to say something about it since the movie really impressed me.</p>
	<p>The screenshots a took speak volumes though!
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		<title>by: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/04/19/overlord-the-futility-of-war/#comment-158</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:59:02 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for this review.  I have never seen this and will track it down.  I share your disdain for most war films.  It is one of the only genres that I really don't care for although there are a handful of exceptions.  The inevitable one sided nature most war films posess really turns me off.  Thanks for pointing this one out, it sounds interesting.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for this review.  I have never seen this and will track it down.  I share your disdain for most war films.  It is one of the only genres that I really don&#8217;t care for although there are a handful of exceptions.  The inevitable one sided nature most war films posess really turns me off.  Thanks for pointing this one out, it sounds interesting.
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