Comments on: Revisiting the Bay of Blood http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/ Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:00:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: cinebeats http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-434 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:46:37 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-434 Brian - Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it. I wish I had caught this when it played there. I've never seen it on the big screen. Neil - That piece by Ebert from Reader’s Digest is interesting. It seems as if he's trying to calm critics or something. I didn't even know he wote for Reader’s Digest. And I totally agree with you about Bava. In all all honesty I've been sort of suprised by all the attention his work is now getting. I'm sure it has a lot to do with Tim Lucas's longtime efforts. I noticed in recent reviews of the latest Bava DVD collection that a lot of critics didn't seem to know that all the movies had already been available on DVD for years. That was strange. Mr. Peel - Thanks for sharing that story! It must have been fun to watch the movie with a good crowd who enjoyed it. Brian - Thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed it. I wish I had caught this when it played there. I’ve never seen it on the big screen.

Neil - That piece by Ebert from Reader’s Digest is interesting. It seems as if he’s trying to calm critics or something. I didn’t even know he wote for Reader’s Digest. And I totally agree with you about Bava. In all all honesty I’ve been sort of suprised by all the attention his work is now getting. I’m sure it has a lot to do with Tim Lucas’s longtime efforts. I noticed in recent reviews of the latest Bava DVD collection that a lot of critics didn’t seem to know that all the movies had already been available on DVD for years. That was strange.

Mr. Peel - Thanks for sharing that story! It must have been fun to watch the movie with a good crowd who enjoyed it.

]]> by: Mr. Peel http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-433 Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:26:57 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-433 Whenever I think of this movie, the first thing that comes to mind is an American Cinematheque screening about ten years ago where, after that jet-black comic ending, it looked like every single person in the theater was leaving with this immensely goofy grin on their face. No, it's not one of my very favorite Bavas but I still like it quite a bit and hope for a DVD with improved sound somewhere down the line. Whenever I think of this movie, the first thing that comes to mind is an American Cinematheque screening about ten years ago where, after that jet-black comic ending, it looked like every single person in the theater was leaving with this immensely goofy grin on their face. No, it’s not one of my very favorite Bavas but I still like it quite a bit and hope for a DVD with improved sound somewhere down the line.

]]> by: Neil http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-432 Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:20:55 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-432 Reader's Digest, in fact, reprinted <a HREF="http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19670105/REVIEWS/701050301/1023" rel="nofollow">this review</a> by Roger Ebert. An interesting historical curio. I think, as it goes, Bava's transition into respectability and recognition for the influence he's had has been remarkably slow. I'd put some of that up to the Italian genre movie elements that seem to come across as wonky to audiences used to Hollywood movie standards, but it seems like Argento, who is, in many way, largely the most talented Bava imitator in the world, seems to have jumped ahead, in many ways. Reader’s Digest, in fact, reprinted this review by Roger Ebert. An interesting historical curio.

I think, as it goes, Bava’s transition into respectability and recognition for the influence he’s had has been remarkably slow. I’d put some of that up to the Italian genre movie elements that seem to come across as wonky to audiences used to Hollywood movie standards, but it seems like Argento, who is, in many way, largely the most talented Bava imitator in the world, seems to have jumped ahead, in many ways.

]]> by: Brian http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-431 Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:52:38 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-431 Great piece and great screen shots! Count me among the "top 10 Bava, though not top 5 Bava" supporters of this film, which I saw at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts when they did their retrospective of his films several years back. Great piece and great screen shots! Count me among the “top 10 Bava, though not top 5 Bava” supporters of this film, which I saw at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts when they did their retrospective of his films several years back.

]]> by: Rodney Wall http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-430 Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:10:04 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-430 Thanks. I'll check out I Vampiri. I've already got Black Sabbath, and Kill, Baby...Kill!, on my "to watch" list. And to Neil. We'll have to agree to disagree about Rabid Dogs. I'm afraid I didn't find much thrilling about it at all. Thanks.
I’ll check out I Vampiri.
I’ve already got Black Sabbath, and Kill, Baby…Kill!, on my “to watch” list.

And to Neil.
We’ll have to agree to disagree about Rabid Dogs.
I’m afraid I didn’t find much thrilling about it at all.

]]> by: cinebeats http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-429 Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:17:43 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-429 Thanks for all the feedback Anna, Neil, Joe and Peter! It is amazing how influential Bava has been. Peter - The ending is interesting and I'm sure it helped inspire Eli Roth's ending to Hostel 2. I actually have come across that site about Powell’s Peeping Tom. Peeping Tom is one of my favorite movies so I was probably looking up info about it or something. It's interesting to read the negative reviews. I can first remember reading about how much that film was criticized when I was in college. Funny how a lot of film criticism has not changed much since then and how trendy it can get, as if the critics are trying to see who can insult the director more. Horror films and thrillers seem to have always had critics who are willing to rip them apart and blame the world's ills on the director. A lot of Italian filmmakers have gone through hell because they had to deal with critics AND the church. In America we tend to forget what directors like Romero had to deal with when Night of the Living Dead was first released. I know Reader's Digest (which I'm sure you know was a very popular magazine at the time) tried to have the movie banned. Now critics praise Romero left and right of course. Thanks for all the feedback Anna, Neil, Joe and Peter!

It is amazing how influential Bava has been.

Peter - The ending is interesting and I’m sure it helped inspire Eli Roth’s ending to Hostel 2.

I actually have come across that site about Powell’s Peeping Tom. Peeping Tom is one of my favorite movies so I was probably looking up info about it or something. It’s interesting to read the negative reviews. I can first remember reading about how much that film was criticized when I was in college. Funny how a lot of film criticism has not changed much since then and how trendy it can get, as if the critics are trying to see who can insult the director more.

Horror films and thrillers seem to have always had critics who are willing to rip them apart and blame the world’s ills on the director. A lot of Italian filmmakers have gone through hell because they had to deal with critics AND the church.

In America we tend to forget what directors like Romero had to deal with when Night of the Living Dead was first released. I know Reader’s Digest (which I’m sure you know was a very popular magazine at the time) tried to have the movie banned. Now critics praise Romero left and right of course.

]]> by: Peter Nellhaus http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-428 Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:08:41 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-428 While <b>Bay of Blood</b> is not a favorite Bava, I found the ending with the children quite interesting. I don't know if you've seen <a href="http://www.powell-pressburger.org/Reviews/60_PT/Killers/Killers.html" rel="nofollow">this site</a> with reviews of Michael Powell's <b>Peeping Tom</b>. I bring this to your attention because, as Powell's film has been reconsidered after its original release, so have the films of Bava as well as giallo in general. This in turn has made me wonder if it is possible that twenty or so years from now, there may be more serious reconsideration of Eli Roth? While Bay of Blood is not a favorite Bava, I found the ending with the children quite interesting.

I don’t know if you’ve seen this site with reviews of Michael Powell’s Peeping Tom. I bring this to your attention because, as Powell’s film has been reconsidered after its original release, so have the films of Bava as well as giallo in general. This in turn has made me wonder if it is possible that twenty or so years from now, there may be more serious reconsideration of Eli Roth?

]]> by: Joe D http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-426 Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:09:44 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-426 Great post about a great filmmaker. Mario Bava belongs to that extremely rare breed of filmmakers, genre makers. So many of Bava's films inspired whole genres of movies. Bay of Blood- The Evil Eye- considered to be the first giallo- Black Sunday- the Art Horror film- Danger Diabolik- comic book action thriller, he was cameraman on the most successful peplums- Hercules and Hercules Unchained- An incredible talent. This week I will upload a trailer for Bay of Blood (USA title- Carnage) it's a tour-de-force of groovy optical,over saturated colors, crazy graphics, and great music. I'll forward you a link when I get it online. Great post about a great filmmaker. Mario Bava belongs to that extremely rare breed of filmmakers, genre makers. So many of Bava’s films inspired whole genres of movies. Bay of Blood- The Evil Eye- considered to be the first giallo- Black Sunday- the Art Horror film- Danger Diabolik- comic book action thriller, he was cameraman on the most successful peplums- Hercules and Hercules Unchained- An incredible talent. This week I will upload a trailer for Bay of Blood (USA title- Carnage) it’s a tour-de-force of groovy optical,over saturated colors, crazy graphics, and great music. I’ll forward you a link when I get it online.

]]> by: Neil http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-425 Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:57:59 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-425 I love this movie! And while it probably wouldn't make my Top Five Bava movies either, it is probably in the first five I would show Bava virgins. <i>The Whip and the Body</i> doesn't get nearly enough attention, and it would solidly be on both lists for me. I certainly enjoyed <i>Baron Blood</i> the first time or two, but the last time I put it on, I did find it a little more problematic. I'll have to put it on again one of these days. But I'm forced to also jump in here. As much as I love the gothic stuff, <i>Rabid Dogs</i> is one heck of a thriller. I love this movie! And while it probably wouldn’t make my Top Five Bava movies either, it is probably in the first five I would show Bava virgins. The Whip and the Body doesn’t get nearly enough attention, and it would solidly be on both lists for me.

I certainly enjoyed Baron Blood the first time or two, but the last time I put it on, I did find it a little more problematic. I’ll have to put it on again one of these days.

But I’m forced to also jump in here. As much as I love the gothic stuff, Rabid Dogs is one heck of a thriller.

]]> by: Anna http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-423 Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:02:41 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-423 I never know what I'm going to encounter when I visit your blog . . . ! Bloody Bays?! Love the sexy knife-in-the-back shot. My first horror film involved chainsaws in Texas - B of B sounds much more interesting in a gruesome kind of way. Fascinating analysis as always - thanks! I never know what I’m going to encounter when I visit your blog . . . ! Bloody Bays?! Love the sexy knife-in-the-back shot. My first horror film involved chainsaws in Texas - B of B sounds much more interesting in a gruesome kind of way.

Fascinating analysis as always - thanks!

]]> by: cinebeats http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-421 Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:36:41 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-421 Thanks for all the comments! It's a great movie and I really love it. It wouldn't make my Top 5 favorite Bava film list, but it would be included in a Top 10. It's amazing how much influence the film had. If memory serves me right, it was also the first time Bava made a thriller with multiple killers which broke down the whole giallo formula. I really hope the film gets another DVD release too since the sound on the image disc is rather awful. I've also read stuff about the film being longer (90min. instead of 84min.)than the Image disc but I don't know if that's true or not? Rodney - if you enjoy Bava's gothic horror films I highly recommend his movies I Vampiri, Black Sabbath, The Whip and the Body and Kill, Baby... Kill! They all have gothic overtones and are all very good. I also love Baron Blood which has a gothic style as well, but not a lot people seem to like that film as much as I do. Thanks for all the comments! It’s a great movie and I really love it. It wouldn’t make my Top 5 favorite Bava film list, but it would be included in a Top 10. It’s amazing how much influence the film had. If memory serves me right, it was also the first time Bava made a thriller with multiple killers which broke down the whole giallo formula.

I really hope the film gets another DVD release too since the sound on the image disc is rather awful. I’ve also read stuff about the film being longer (90min. instead of 84min.)than the Image disc but I don’t know if that’s true or not?

Rodney - if you enjoy Bava’s gothic horror films I highly recommend his movies I Vampiri, Black Sabbath, The Whip and the Body and Kill, Baby… Kill! They all have gothic overtones and are all very good. I also love Baron Blood which has a gothic style as well, but not a lot people seem to like that film as much as I do.

]]> by: Rodney Wall http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-420 Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:17:16 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-420 Great article. I decided to watch Bay Of Blood last night, but I fell asleep. I'll finish it today. What I saw was good. I'm becoming a big fan of Bava. I absolutely loved Danger Diabolik, and Black Sunday. Though, Rabid Dogs was a bit of a let down. As far as Friday The 13th goes, I enjoyed them when I was growing up, but they don't hold much interest for me now. My tastes are more along the lines of Gothic Horror. Great article.
I decided to watch Bay Of Blood last night, but I fell asleep.
I’ll finish it today.
What I saw was good.
I’m becoming a big fan of Bava.
I absolutely loved Danger Diabolik, and Black Sunday.
Though, Rabid Dogs was a bit of a let down.

As far as Friday The 13th goes, I enjoyed them when I was growing up, but they don’t hold much interest for me now.

My tastes are more along the lines of Gothic Horror.

]]> by: Tanner http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-418 Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:22:28 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-418 I LOVE Bay of Blood! It was the movie that made me a die-hard Bava fan. It's still my favorite of all his msterful gialli, and different from most others in the... um... identity of the killer, to put it in the most spoiler-free context, and in the victims (as you point out). I completely agree with you that no Friday 13 movie can hold a candle to Bay of Blood! I can't wait for its new DVD release this fall in Volume 2 of Anchor Bay's Mario Bava Collection. The sound on the Image disc is awful. I LOVE Bay of Blood! It was the movie that made me a die-hard Bava fan. It’s still my favorite of all his msterful gialli, and different from most others in the… um… identity of the killer, to put it in the most spoiler-free context, and in the victims (as you point out). I completely agree with you that no Friday 13 movie can hold a candle to Bay of Blood! I can’t wait for its new DVD release this fall in Volume 2 of Anchor Bay’s Mario Bava Collection. The sound on the Image disc is awful.

]]> by: Jeremy Richey http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-416 Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:52:52 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-416 Great post Kimberly, I love this film. It's one of my favorite Bava works and easily one of the most influential horror films ever made. I really wish it would get a new DVD release as the sound on the Image disc is among the worst I have ever heard. Just such a fantastic film with one of the great endings ever...that last shot just blows me away each time I see it. I was planning on participating in the Friday the 13th Blog a thon but decided not to. I realize that most of my love for that series comes from my memories of watching them growing up. The first two hold up as do a couple of the later ones in a more slight way but mostly it's just about nostalgia for me so I wasn't really sure what to write...perhaps I will think up something before midnight but I don't know... anyway, always love reading on some Bava...can't wait to look at your Flikr photos you have posted...thanks. Great post Kimberly,
I love this film. It’s one of my favorite Bava works and easily one of the most influential horror films ever made. I really wish it would get a new DVD release as the sound on the Image disc is among the worst I have ever heard. Just such a fantastic film with one of the great endings ever…that last shot just blows me away each time I see it.
I was planning on participating in the Friday the 13th Blog a thon but decided not to. I realize that most of my love for that series comes from my memories of watching them growing up. The first two hold up as do a couple of the later ones in a more slight way but mostly it’s just about nostalgia for me so I wasn’t really sure what to write…perhaps I will think up something before midnight but I don’t know…
anyway, always love reading on some Bava…can’t wait to look at your Flikr photos you have posted…thanks.

]]> by: Keith http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-414 Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:02:21 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/07/13/revisiting-the-bay-of-blood/#comment-414 Great blog on a great movie. "Bay of Blood" trounces "Fridy the 13th" in my book. I haven't seen this movie in years. I'd love to see it again. The first two Friday movies and the 4th one were my favs. The other ones went from bad to horrible. It's nice on a day like this to be reminded of a wonderful horror movie that might not get the attention it deserves, as it has influenced quite a few other movies over the years. Great blog on a great movie. “Bay of Blood” trounces “Fridy the 13th” in my book. I haven’t seen this movie in years. I’d love to see it again. The first two Friday movies and the 4th one were my favs. The other ones went from bad to horrible. It’s nice on a day like this to be reminded of a wonderful horror movie that might not get the attention it deserves, as it has influenced quite a few other movies over the years.

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