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		<title>by: cinebeats</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/rethinking-romance/#comment-1303</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Many thanks for your insightful response Michael! I really appreciate it since I'm rather clueless about Harlequin romance novels myself. They do seem to follow a particular pattern or formula so I suppose if you've read one, you've read many. 

I do think Harlequin readers would probably enjoy the film adaptation of &lt;strong&gt;Leopard in the Snow&lt;/strong&gt; so I hope the movie finds a new audience on DVD. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Many thanks for your insightful response Michael! I really appreciate it since I&#8217;m rather clueless about Harlequin romance novels myself. They do seem to follow a particular pattern or formula so I suppose if you&#8217;ve read one, you&#8217;ve read many. </p>
	<p>I do think Harlequin readers would probably enjoy the film adaptation of <strong>Leopard in the Snow</strong> so I hope the movie finds a new audience on DVD.
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		<title>by: michael farris</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/rethinking-romance/#comment-1299</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Since I’ve never read the original novel, I can’t tell you if the film is a faithful adaptation of the book&quot;

Over 20 years ago, a large box of then old harlequin books sat in the corner of my room for a couple of weeks (props for a party that was being planned). Boredome and curiosity got the better of me and I read a half dozen or so of them, including (the only title I remember) Leopard in the Snow.

Your description here sounds like the filming was pretty literal and reading your plot rundown fired some memory synapses that hadn't been used in years.

What I remember about the book:
1. The title: catchy as all get out (the only reason I remember the book, I can't remember any other harlequin titles)
2. The real leopard in the snow was very marginal in the book. I seem to recall some unconvincing dialogue about it too, but details are blurry. The overall impression was that it didn't have much to do with anything, almost as if the author had written the first draft then got the title at the last minute and had to work in a leopard in the snow in the final draft. 
3. The lack of chemistry or interaction between the leads seems to have been a standard harlequin policy. In most of the books I read (mostly from the early 70's) despite the expected lack of sexual activity there's virtually no other activity either. Most commonly the heroine had no idea of the leading man's intentions until the final page (or paragraph!) of the book. Typically, the heroine thinks the man is acting beastly for 9/10's of the book. Then in the final tenth she realizes she loves him (and despairs because he obviously hates her) and this goes on until the very end at which point it's revealed that the man had been either a) trying to mask his feelings b) acting out of despair. Both of these strategies were responses to his assumption that _she_ hated _him_. 

So I imagine the intended audience was used enough to the format (if not the book itself) that they could fill in both the heroine's growing (unconscious) love for her tortured loner and the man's gruff, clumsy attempts to cover his feelings. If you don't have that background, I can understand that it all might be a bit of a blur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Since I’ve never read the original novel, I can’t tell you if the film is a faithful adaptation of the book&#8221;</p>
	<p>Over 20 years ago, a large box of then old harlequin books sat in the corner of my room for a couple of weeks (props for a party that was being planned). Boredome and curiosity got the better of me and I read a half dozen or so of them, including (the only title I remember) Leopard in the Snow.</p>
	<p>Your description here sounds like the filming was pretty literal and reading your plot rundown fired some memory synapses that hadn&#8217;t been used in years.</p>
	<p>What I remember about the book:<br />
1. The title: catchy as all get out (the only reason I remember the book, I can&#8217;t remember any other harlequin titles)<br />
2. The real leopard in the snow was very marginal in the book. I seem to recall some unconvincing dialogue about it too, but details are blurry. The overall impression was that it didn&#8217;t have much to do with anything, almost as if the author had written the first draft then got the title at the last minute and had to work in a leopard in the snow in the final draft.<br />
3. The lack of chemistry or interaction between the leads seems to have been a standard harlequin policy. In most of the books I read (mostly from the early 70&#8217;s) despite the expected lack of sexual activity there&#8217;s virtually no other activity either. Most commonly the heroine had no idea of the leading man&#8217;s intentions until the final page (or paragraph!) of the book. Typically, the heroine thinks the man is acting beastly for 9/10&#8217;s of the book. Then in the final tenth she realizes she loves him (and despairs because he obviously hates her) and this goes on until the very end at which point it&#8217;s revealed that the man had been either a) trying to mask his feelings b) acting out of despair. Both of these strategies were responses to his assumption that _she_ hated _him_. </p>
	<p>So I imagine the intended audience was used enough to the format (if not the book itself) that they could fill in both the heroine&#8217;s growing (unconscious) love for her tortured loner and the man&#8217;s gruff, clumsy attempts to cover his feelings. If you don&#8217;t have that background, I can understand that it all might be a bit of a blur.
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		<title>by: Pierre Fournier</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/rethinking-romance/#comment-1119</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Kimberly - The Harlequin SF series was straight science-fiction, no romance. It was a serious attempt at diversification, applying their marketing savvy to another genre. There were some decent titles in the series, but the clinkers were mercilessly ridiculed in SF circles and the series tanked.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Kimberly - The Harlequin SF series was straight science-fiction, no romance. It was a serious attempt at diversification, applying their marketing savvy to another genre. There were some decent titles in the series, but the clinkers were mercilessly ridiculed in SF circles and the series tanked.
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		<title>by: cinebeats</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/rethinking-romance/#comment-1118</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for the nice words Vanwell! I think Leopard in the Snow is an important film obviously due to it being the first film produced by Harlequin and based on one of their books so I'm sort of surprised there's little to zero information about it floating around, which is why I decided to tackle it.

As I mentioned above, The Fox is much more my cup of tea and I really like that film since I love Lawrence and I thought Dullea was terrific in it, along withe rest of the cast. It's a shame that it's not available on DVD yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for the nice words Vanwell! I think Leopard in the Snow is an important film obviously due to it being the first film produced by Harlequin and based on one of their books so I&#8217;m sort of surprised there&#8217;s little to zero information about it floating around, which is why I decided to tackle it.</p>
	<p>As I mentioned above, The Fox is much more my cup of tea and I really like that film since I love Lawrence and I thought Dullea was terrific in it, along withe rest of the cast. It&#8217;s a shame that it&#8217;s not available on DVD yet.
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		<title>by: Vanwall</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/rethinking-romance/#comment-1115</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm glad you reviewed this film - I've seen it in Dullea's credits, and wondered what it was like, but generally avoid anything that smacks of &quot;romance novel&quot;, even warmed over a little, altho this was cooled down some with the winter setting. I must've seen snatches of it over the years, the leopard in the snow sounds awfully familiar, but it didn't make much of an impression, I guess, regardless of Dullea's presence. Guess if it comes on TV, I'll watch it, for Dullea completeness sake, ;-) but I won't be plopping down loose change for it.  

 I much prefer him in &quot;The Fox&quot;, another kind of wintwer domination movie, but perhaps his character's distasteful manipulation in that one was overshadowed by Anne Heywood's performance, something I don't think Penhaligon had in her most of the time. Not that Penhaligon lacked the chops for making the most of a role, her work in &quot;Under Milk Wood&quot; as Mae was as natural as can be, and I've heard her work in &quot;Bouquet of Barbed Wire&quot; on UK TV was awesome, tho I've never seen it; I think she needed strong direction. Curious that Harlequin would pin their female character on her, I don't see her as a genteel bodice-ripper, altho I wouldn't've minded if she did - that was a bit of a specialty of hers on screen back then, another curious reason for Harlequin to leave out adult material, as she was made for it.

 Dullea always seemed to have a controlled violence just under the surface in most of his performances, I feel, and it come across as a quiet fearlessness, especially as Dave in &quot;2001&quot; - his single-minded attack on Hal and the ship was like peeling layers of an onion until he found the center. His David was somewhat the same - he popped his top a little, but couldn't stop himself from figuring out a way thru Lisa's defences. Too bad he didn't have a Janet Margolin in this one, I guess.

 The time of production must've put more than a few strictures on Harliquin's efforts - the actual sex and nudity of newer romance novels have overshadowed the staples of the genre that were pretty suggestive, and just as submissive, back then, and could've been out of the question in a 1978 romance genre film - judging by your description, I think they were shooting low, and could've aimed higher. 

You always something unique here, and it's always worth a read, keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m glad you reviewed this film - I&#8217;ve seen it in Dullea&#8217;s credits, and wondered what it was like, but generally avoid anything that smacks of &#8220;romance novel&#8221;, even warmed over a little, altho this was cooled down some with the winter setting. I must&#8217;ve seen snatches of it over the years, the leopard in the snow sounds awfully familiar, but it didn&#8217;t make much of an impression, I guess, regardless of Dullea&#8217;s presence. Guess if it comes on TV, I&#8217;ll watch it, for Dullea completeness sake, ;-) but I won&#8217;t be plopping down loose change for it.  </p>
	<p> I much prefer him in &#8220;The Fox&#8221;, another kind of wintwer domination movie, but perhaps his character&#8217;s distasteful manipulation in that one was overshadowed by Anne Heywood&#8217;s performance, something I don&#8217;t think Penhaligon had in her most of the time. Not that Penhaligon lacked the chops for making the most of a role, her work in &#8220;Under Milk Wood&#8221; as Mae was as natural as can be, and I&#8217;ve heard her work in &#8220;Bouquet of Barbed Wire&#8221; on UK TV was awesome, tho I&#8217;ve never seen it; I think she needed strong direction. Curious that Harlequin would pin their female character on her, I don&#8217;t see her as a genteel bodice-ripper, altho I wouldn&#8217;t've minded if she did - that was a bit of a specialty of hers on screen back then, another curious reason for Harlequin to leave out adult material, as she was made for it.</p>
	<p> Dullea always seemed to have a controlled violence just under the surface in most of his performances, I feel, and it come across as a quiet fearlessness, especially as Dave in &#8220;2001&#8243; - his single-minded attack on Hal and the ship was like peeling layers of an onion until he found the center. His David was somewhat the same - he popped his top a little, but couldn&#8217;t stop himself from figuring out a way thru Lisa&#8217;s defences. Too bad he didn&#8217;t have a Janet Margolin in this one, I guess.</p>
	<p> The time of production must&#8217;ve put more than a few strictures on Harliquin&#8217;s efforts - the actual sex and nudity of newer romance novels have overshadowed the staples of the genre that were pretty suggestive, and just as submissive, back then, and could&#8217;ve been out of the question in a 1978 romance genre film - judging by your description, I think they were shooting low, and could&#8217;ve aimed higher. </p>
	<p>You always something unique here, and it&#8217;s always worth a read, keep up the good work.
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		<title>by: cinebeats</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/rethinking-romance/#comment-1112</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Pierre - Thanks for sharing those Harlequin stories! Sci-fi romances? Now that could have been a romance genre I would have found interesting! I can only imagine what they would have been like... possibly like some episodes of Star Trek, but with Captain Kirk being a woman who meets up with sexy alien men maybe?

HSB - It's really funny how we get attached to some things as kids and then watching them again later the reaction can sometimes be &quot;Why in the world did I like this so much?,&quot; this isn't to say that you still might enjoy &lt;strong&gt;Leopard in the Snow&lt;/strong&gt;, but I know the feeling well. I've been watching some episodes of the TV show &lt;strong&gt;Fantasy Island&lt;/strong&gt; recently and wondering why I loved the show so much when I was a kid. The concept of Fantasy &lt;strong&gt;Island&lt;/strong&gt; is fantastic, but the execution, not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pierre - Thanks for sharing those Harlequin stories! Sci-fi romances? Now that could have been a romance genre I would have found interesting! I can only imagine what they would have been like&#8230; possibly like some episodes of Star Trek, but with Captain Kirk being a woman who meets up with sexy alien men maybe?</p>
	<p>HSB - It&#8217;s really funny how we get attached to some things as kids and then watching them again later the reaction can sometimes be &#8220;Why in the world did I like this so much?,&#8221; this isn&#8217;t to say that you still might enjoy <strong>Leopard in the Snow</strong>, but I know the feeling well. I&#8217;ve been watching some episodes of the TV show <strong>Fantasy Island</strong> recently and wondering why I loved the show so much when I was a kid. The concept of Fantasy <strong>Island</strong> is fantastic, but the execution, not so much.
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		<title>by: HSB</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/rethinking-romance/#comment-1110</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm sure you are entirely correct in your review -- I have actually just ordered it from Amazon and will shortly rekindle my emotional memory of it. I'm almost terrified to attach an adult critical assessment to it.  But like a moth to a flame, I know I must.  I just confronted a similar demon with my love for TWO ON A GUILLOTINE, which my childhood told me was a beloved experience -- but which a respected friend challenged that it was a bore. Upon re-watching some 30 years later, well, I still loved it.  I understood his critique, but nothing at this point could erode that crust of elation that had developed around the memory of staying up past 11pm for the first time to watch TWO ON A GUILLOTINE.  The movie may well be a bore -- but the moment was too precious and I wouldn't want my vision of it to change at this point.  I'm hoping my memory of LEOPARD IN THE SNOW remains untarnished upon revisiting it.  But don't get me wrong -- your descriptions (and criticisms) are probably right on the money -- but it only made me want to share time with it again.  I'll report back with definitives soon.  Thanks for another grand post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m sure you are entirely correct in your review &#8212; I have actually just ordered it from Amazon and will shortly rekindle my emotional memory of it. I&#8217;m almost terrified to attach an adult critical assessment to it.  But like a moth to a flame, I know I must.  I just confronted a similar demon with my love for TWO ON A GUILLOTINE, which my childhood told me was a beloved experience &#8212; but which a respected friend challenged that it was a bore. Upon re-watching some 30 years later, well, I still loved it.  I understood his critique, but nothing at this point could erode that crust of elation that had developed around the memory of staying up past 11pm for the first time to watch TWO ON A GUILLOTINE.  The movie may well be a bore &#8212; but the moment was too precious and I wouldn&#8217;t want my vision of it to change at this point.  I&#8217;m hoping my memory of LEOPARD IN THE SNOW remains untarnished upon revisiting it.  But don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8212; your descriptions (and criticisms) are probably right on the money &#8212; but it only made me want to share time with it again.  I&#8217;ll report back with definitives soon.  Thanks for another grand post!
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		<title>by: Pierre Fournier</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/rethinking-romance/#comment-1109</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Fun review. Thanks!

I have a couple of Harlequin anecdotes: In the mid 70s, they launched a line of science-fiction paperbacks (which didn’t do well). I was working at the Montreal Book Fair and they had a stand next to mine. It was filled with sci-fi paperbacks, but for display only. The books had covers, but nothing printed inside. When the Fair closed, they left everything there to be thrown away. I picked up a bunch of those paperbacks and I’d give them to friends. They’d go, “Hey, great Kelly Freas cover!”, but when they opened the book, it was just blank pages. 

Anecdote #2: Many years ago, Harlequin had this promotion where they gave away paperbacks… in boxes of Tide. You’d find a Harlequin Romance in a plastic wrap inside the box, buried in the detergent. 

To this day, I think of laundry detergent whenever someone mentions Harlequin books. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Fun review. Thanks!</p>
	<p>I have a couple of Harlequin anecdotes: In the mid 70s, they launched a line of science-fiction paperbacks (which didn’t do well). I was working at the Montreal Book Fair and they had a stand next to mine. It was filled with sci-fi paperbacks, but for display only. The books had covers, but nothing printed inside. When the Fair closed, they left everything there to be thrown away. I picked up a bunch of those paperbacks and I’d give them to friends. They’d go, “Hey, great Kelly Freas cover!”, but when they opened the book, it was just blank pages. </p>
	<p>Anecdote #2: Many years ago, Harlequin had this promotion where they gave away paperbacks… in boxes of Tide. You’d find a Harlequin Romance in a plastic wrap inside the box, buried in the detergent. </p>
	<p>To this day, I think of laundry detergent whenever someone mentions Harlequin books.
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		<title>by: cinebeats</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/rethinking-romance/#comment-1108</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Could you be any more vague in your comment HSB? For the love of everything that is Harlequin, please elaborate on what you like so much about &lt;strong&gt;Leopard in the Snow&lt;/strong&gt;! I would love to hear you thoughts on it. Clearly my feelings on the film are mixed, but I don't think I'm part of the intended audience. Proust didn't come to mind when I was watching Leopard in the Snow. I really wanted to be able to link it to something truly wonderful like John Fowles' &lt;strong&gt;The Collector&lt;/strong&gt;, but I just couldn't make the leap. &lt;strong&gt;Leopard in the Snow&lt;/strong&gt; was far too pedestrian for my own tastes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Could you be any more vague in your comment HSB? For the love of everything that is Harlequin, please elaborate on what you like so much about <strong>Leopard in the Snow</strong>! I would love to hear you thoughts on it. Clearly my feelings on the film are mixed, but I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m part of the intended audience. Proust didn&#8217;t come to mind when I was watching Leopard in the Snow. I really wanted to be able to link it to something truly wonderful like John Fowles&#8217; <strong>The Collector</strong>, but I just couldn&#8217;t make the leap. <strong>Leopard in the Snow</strong> was far too pedestrian for my own tastes.
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		<title>by: HSB</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/rethinking-romance/#comment-1106</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Funny how certain movies really do worm their way into your heart when viewed at a formative age... I remember plopping myself in front of the TV when I was 13 -- like a zombie -- watching this film over and over again when it first showed up on HBO in 1978.  No questions asked.  Just sucked it in. Over and over and over.  Perhaps it was because of what you aptly describe as the &quot;alien landscape&quot; that might be part of the tidal pull.  Actually, now that I think of it, you mention a lot of things that I agree with...but not.  I have impossibly fond memories of this film -- but then again, i also sat and studied BIRCH INTERVAL, PIPE DREAMS and QUILP (THE OLD CURIOSITY SHOP) -- basically EVERYTHING that played on HBO at that time! Maybe it was the opportunity to see so many movies -- just for the lust of seeing movies -- ANY movie -- uncut and in my livingroom.  Nothing could touch any of them. No bad. Only great.  Funny. Never thought of criticizing any aspect of these films. Still, whenever I get a hold of them, I love them. Like a family member that I knew loved me. I remember racing home from the school bus so that I could get to the TV by 2:30pm every single day just to watch the trailers for all these things (that's when HBO would roll their previews for the next month's schedule). It's almost Proustian. LEOPARD IN THE SNOW. Thanks Kimberly.  You've reminded me how much I miss LEOPARD IN THE SNOW! I better go before I start singing Skeeter Davis songs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Funny how certain movies really do worm their way into your heart when viewed at a formative age&#8230; I remember plopping myself in front of the TV when I was 13 &#8212; like a zombie &#8212; watching this film over and over again when it first showed up on HBO in 1978.  No questions asked.  Just sucked it in. Over and over and over.  Perhaps it was because of what you aptly describe as the &#8220;alien landscape&#8221; that might be part of the tidal pull.  Actually, now that I think of it, you mention a lot of things that I agree with&#8230;but not.  I have impossibly fond memories of this film &#8212; but then again, i also sat and studied BIRCH INTERVAL, PIPE DREAMS and QUILP (THE OLD CURIOSITY SHOP) &#8212; basically EVERYTHING that played on HBO at that time! Maybe it was the opportunity to see so many movies &#8212; just for the lust of seeing movies &#8212; ANY movie &#8212; uncut and in my livingroom.  Nothing could touch any of them. No bad. Only great.  Funny. Never thought of criticizing any aspect of these films. Still, whenever I get a hold of them, I love them. Like a family member that I knew loved me. I remember racing home from the school bus so that I could get to the TV by 2:30pm every single day just to watch the trailers for all these things (that&#8217;s when HBO would roll their previews for the next month&#8217;s schedule). It&#8217;s almost Proustian. LEOPARD IN THE SNOW. Thanks Kimberly.  You&#8217;ve reminded me how much I miss LEOPARD IN THE SNOW! I better go before I start singing Skeeter Davis songs!
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		<title>by: cinebeats</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/rethinking-romance/#comment-1105</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm glad you enjoyed my look at &lt;strong&gt;Leopard in the Snow&lt;/strong&gt;, Keith. As I mentioned above, I'm glad I watched the film even if it wasn't what I was expecting. In some ways it was better then what I thought it was going to be. It's strange how so much cinema seems to still be divided by really old-fashioned gender lines. Hollywood often resembles Toys R Us. . .

Boys in the blue aisle with guns, sports and science toys.

Girls in the pink aisle with dolls, kitchen goods and jewelry making supplies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m glad you enjoyed my look at <strong>Leopard in the Snow</strong>, Keith. As I mentioned above, I&#8217;m glad I watched the film even if it wasn&#8217;t what I was expecting. In some ways it was better then what I thought it was going to be. It&#8217;s strange how so much cinema seems to still be divided by really old-fashioned gender lines. Hollywood often resembles Toys R Us. . .</p>
	<p>Boys in the blue aisle with guns, sports and science toys.</p>
	<p>Girls in the pink aisle with dolls, kitchen goods and jewelry making supplies.
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		<title>by: Keith</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/rethinking-romance/#comment-1104</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for the review.  I don't think gender should have to determine what genre of films a person should enjoy.  I know that's how Hollywood, etc. works though.  I don't blame ya for loving The Dirty Dozen.  Not a big fan of romance novels.  I always saw Harlequin romance as something old women like my grandmother read.  I read some of those trashy Jackie Collins novels as a teen, but that's about it.  This was still an interesting blog nonetheless.  Not sure that I would ever seen this film, but I enjoyed reading this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for the review.  I don&#8217;t think gender should have to determine what genre of films a person should enjoy.  I know that&#8217;s how Hollywood, etc. works though.  I don&#8217;t blame ya for loving The Dirty Dozen.  Not a big fan of romance novels.  I always saw Harlequin romance as something old women like my grandmother read.  I read some of those trashy Jackie Collins novels as a teen, but that&#8217;s about it.  This was still an interesting blog nonetheless.  Not sure that I would ever seen this film, but I enjoyed reading this.
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		<title>by: cinebeats</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/rethinking-romance/#comment-1103</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for the comments about my brief piece on &lt;strong&gt;David &amp; Lisa&lt;/strong&gt;!

We all have personal definitions of things like &quot;beauty&quot; or &quot;charisma.&quot; What appeals to me, very likely might not appeal to you, but with that said, I do think &quot;compelling&quot; is a better way to describe Dullea's screen presence. For me Grant's appeal really is his charm. The guy just drips charm and how can you not like someone who's incredibly handsome, a snappy dresser and so damn funny all at once? Anyway... I digress (as usual), but it's easy to get lost talking about how fabulous Cray Grant is.

Feel free to bring up &lt;strong&gt;2001&lt;/strong&gt; all you like since I love Kubrick even if he's been talked and written about to death. &lt;strong&gt;2001&lt;/strong&gt; is one of my all-time favorite films. I completely agree with you about Dullea's low-key performance as Dave. He really is perfect in that role. I also like him in films like &lt;strong&gt;The Fox&lt;/strong&gt; or even &lt;strong&gt;The Haunting of Julia&lt;/strong&gt; where he also plays a very controlling and domineering guy. I was reminded of &lt;strong&gt;The Fox&lt;/strong&gt; while I was watching &lt;strong&gt;Leopard in the Snow&lt;/strong&gt;. I really wish &lt;strong&gt;The Fox&lt;/strong&gt; would get a DVD release. It's based on a D.H. Lawrence story and Lawrence is my kind of romance writer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for the comments about my brief piece on <strong>David &#038; Lisa</strong>!</p>
	<p>We all have personal definitions of things like &#8220;beauty&#8221; or &#8220;charisma.&#8221; What appeals to me, very likely might not appeal to you, but with that said, I do think &#8220;compelling&#8221; is a better way to describe Dullea&#8217;s screen presence. For me Grant&#8217;s appeal really is his charm. The guy just drips charm and how can you not like someone who&#8217;s incredibly handsome, a snappy dresser and so damn funny all at once? Anyway&#8230; I digress (as usual), but it&#8217;s easy to get lost talking about how fabulous Cray Grant is.</p>
	<p>Feel free to bring up <strong>2001</strong> all you like since I love Kubrick even if he&#8217;s been talked and written about to death. <strong>2001</strong> is one of my all-time favorite films. I completely agree with you about Dullea&#8217;s low-key performance as Dave. He really is perfect in that role. I also like him in films like <strong>The Fox</strong> or even <strong>The Haunting of Julia</strong> where he also plays a very controlling and domineering guy. I was reminded of <strong>The Fox</strong> while I was watching <strong>Leopard in the Snow</strong>. I really wish <strong>The Fox</strong> would get a DVD release. It&#8217;s based on a D.H. Lawrence story and Lawrence is my kind of romance writer!
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		<title>by: Jonathan Lapper</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/rethinking-romance/#comment-1102</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Good review of &lt;b&gt;David and Lisa&lt;/b&gt;.  I think you summed it up perfectly.  And I can see Dullea as compelling, as I thought he was in &lt;b&gt;2001&lt;/b&gt; in the showdown with HAL for instance.  As for charisma, to me that's something an actor has that jumps off the screen, like Cary Grant for example.  But it does not mean to me that an actor is good or not, although I thought Grant was terrific.  For instance I wouldn't classify Robert DeNiro as charismatic either but certainly he's an excellent actor. Adrian Brody would be a current example of an actor who I think is excellent yet uncharismatic.  So I just wanted to clear up what I meant there.  I don't equate charisma with talent, it's just something some have and some don't.  And I hate to keep bringing up &lt;b&gt;2001&lt;/b&gt; but I think I'm one of the few people out there who really thinks Dullea was fantastic in his portrayal.  No one ever talks about the acting in that movie but he was so devoid of mannerism and cliche that I never felt for a moment he wasn't Dave Bowman. Charisma or not, that's good acting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Good review of <b>David and Lisa</b>.  I think you summed it up perfectly.  And I can see Dullea as compelling, as I thought he was in <b>2001</b> in the showdown with HAL for instance.  As for charisma, to me that&#8217;s something an actor has that jumps off the screen, like Cary Grant for example.  But it does not mean to me that an actor is good or not, although I thought Grant was terrific.  For instance I wouldn&#8217;t classify Robert DeNiro as charismatic either but certainly he&#8217;s an excellent actor. Adrian Brody would be a current example of an actor who I think is excellent yet uncharismatic.  So I just wanted to clear up what I meant there.  I don&#8217;t equate charisma with talent, it&#8217;s just something some have and some don&#8217;t.  And I hate to keep bringing up <b>2001</b> but I think I&#8217;m one of the few people out there who really thinks Dullea was fantastic in his portrayal.  No one ever talks about the acting in that movie but he was so devoid of mannerism and cliche that I never felt for a moment he wasn&#8217;t Dave Bowman. Charisma or not, that&#8217;s good acting.
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		<title>by: cinebeats</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/rethinking-romance/#comment-1101</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's not the kind of movie that really appeals to me so I was rather underwhelmed by it, but I'm still glad I watched it even if it wasn't what I expected and I'm sure some romance fans might like it. I hope I conveyed that above. 

It's funny, but I don't personally find Dullea particularly attractive (in retrospect, he might be a little all-American looking for me). I do find him charismatic (or maybe compelling is the right word?) so we seem to have opposite opinions there. He is a nice looking guy though! I have seen &lt;b&gt;David &amp;amp; Lisa&lt;/b&gt; and even reviewed it earlier this year. You can find my review &lt;a href=&quot;http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/06/02/cinedelica-review-round-up/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s not the kind of movie that really appeals to me so I was rather underwhelmed by it, but I&#8217;m still glad I watched it even if it wasn&#8217;t what I expected and I&#8217;m sure some romance fans might like it. I hope I conveyed that above. </p>
	<p>It&#8217;s funny, but I don&#8217;t personally find Dullea particularly attractive (in retrospect, he might be a little all-American looking for me). I do find him charismatic (or maybe compelling is the right word?) so we seem to have opposite opinions there. He is a nice looking guy though! I have seen <b>David &amp; Lisa</b> and even reviewed it earlier this year. You can find my review <a href="http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/06/02/cinedelica-review-round-up/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.
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		<title>by: Jonathan Lapper</title>
		<link>http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/rethinking-romance/#comment-1100</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, you certainly seem underwhelmed.  I can't say I've ever heard of this movie but I will say that Keir Dullea was a fine if uncharismatic actor who probably would have gotten roles better suited to his understated style (like 2001 for instance) had it not been for his model-like looks.  I mean, look at the picture at the top of this post.  It could be a cover of GQ.  Understated actors like Dullea are better suited to supporting roles where they don't have to carry the movie but when you look like him you get put in the lead, regardless. For instance, I thought he did a good job as the son/lawyer in &lt;b&gt;Madame X&lt;/b&gt; with Lana Turner.  It was a small but effective and important role. Just out of curiosity, have you ever seen &lt;b&gt;David and Lisa&lt;/b&gt;? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, you certainly seem underwhelmed.  I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;ve ever heard of this movie but I will say that Keir Dullea was a fine if uncharismatic actor who probably would have gotten roles better suited to his understated style (like 2001 for instance) had it not been for his model-like looks.  I mean, look at the picture at the top of this post.  It could be a cover of GQ.  Understated actors like Dullea are better suited to supporting roles where they don&#8217;t have to carry the movie but when you look like him you get put in the lead, regardless. For instance, I thought he did a good job as the son/lawyer in <b>Madame X</b> with Lana Turner.  It was a small but effective and important role. Just out of curiosity, have you ever seen <b>David and Lisa</b>?
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