Comments on: The Devil with Seven Faces (1971) http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:32:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: cinebeats http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2026 Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:06:38 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2026 Claudio - Thanks! I'm glad you enjoy the blog. Robert - I'm happy to know someone shares my opinion of the film. I couldn't agree with Craig Ledbetter more but if the comments above are any indication, we might be in the minority. Obviously the film has fans who like it much more than I do. I'd be curious to read your article when it's done. I'm not very impressed with Civirani's filmography but I've only seen a handful of the films he's made. Claudio - Thanks! I’m glad you enjoy the blog.

Robert - I’m happy to know someone shares my opinion of the film. I couldn’t agree with Craig Ledbetter more but if the comments above are any indication, we might be in the minority. Obviously the film has fans who like it much more than I do. I’d be curious to read your article when it’s done. I’m not very impressed with Civirani’s filmography but I’ve only seen a handful of the films he’s made.

]]> by: Robert Monell http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2021 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:41:18 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2021 Interesting review which brings up some interesting questions. You might be interested to know Craig Ledbetter reviews this in his Giallo SE of European Trash Cinema and agrees with most of your observations, giving it one star and calling it "nothing more than a melodrama involving a robbery and the double crosses involved after the fact." It sounds like a crime film more than a giallo, although a giallo always involves a crime. Coincidentally, I've been asked to write reviews of Osvaldo Civriani films for a European publication which I contribute to which is doing a dossier on his career. I didn't realize it had two or three DVD incarnations. It sounds like it may be one of those amusing examples of Le Bad Cinema. Thanks for the review. Interesting review which brings up some interesting questions. You might be interested to know Craig Ledbetter reviews this in his Giallo SE of European Trash Cinema and agrees with most of your observations, giving it one star and calling it “nothing more than a melodrama involving a robbery and the double crosses involved after the fact.” It sounds like a crime film more than a giallo, although a giallo always involves a crime. Coincidentally, I’ve been asked to write reviews of Osvaldo Civriani films for a European publication which I contribute to which is doing a dossier on his career. I didn’t realize it had two or three DVD incarnations. It sounds like it may be one of those amusing examples of Le Bad Cinema. Thanks for the review.

]]> by: claudio http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2014 Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:40:38 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2014 Well, thats a good point. In any case i'd like to compliment you with your blog. Many interesting items on films i already like or am now interested in, so bravo! Well, thats a good point. In any case i’d like to compliment you with your blog. Many interesting items on films i already like or am now interested in, so bravo!

]]> by: cinebeats http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2013 Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:13:55 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2013 <i>I don’t know exactly what you mean with westerners, since it seems americans are a bit more often fond of several of those grindhouse liketerms than in italy or some other european countries (sorry!)</i> I should have said Americans or English speaking countries. It does seem like these terms become problematic when they're used a lot by English speaking critics who don't fully grasp their meaning or intention. This is why I hesitate to use the term when writing about something like <b>The Devil with Seven Faces</b>. I don’t know exactly what you mean with westerners, since it seems americans are a bit more often fond of several of those grindhouse liketerms than in italy or some other european countries (sorry!)

I should have said Americans or English speaking countries. It does seem like these terms become problematic when they’re used a lot by English speaking critics who don’t fully grasp their meaning or intention. This is why I hesitate to use the term when writing about something like The Devil with Seven Faces.

]]> by: claudio http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2011 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:54:03 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2011 Personally i'd define a heist film a film that focuses on the execution of a heist, and devil to me is more about the unexplainable happenings after the fact. But i see your point anyway. A heist film also seems more of a specialized subgenre than the police movies for instance. In italy a film like ad ogni costo or sette uomini d'oro would be termed an adventure, thriller, comedy hybrid or whatever (depending on the tone of the film mostly). It was never a big subgenre in italy, although there were the usual knock offs ofcourse ;) I agree with your comment about grindhouse-like marketing use of terms like that. I don't know exactly what you mean with westerners, since it seems americans are a bit more often fond of several of those grindhouse liketerms than in italy or some other european countries (sorry!). I can understand why people like to use these though since it will be easier for people to discover similar movies and genres. and it helps at the cash registr too ofcourse! Personally i’d define a heist film a film that focuses on the execution of a heist, and devil to me is more about the unexplainable happenings after the fact. But i see your point anyway. A heist film also seems more of a specialized subgenre than the police movies for instance. In italy a film like ad ogni costo or sette uomini d’oro would be termed an adventure, thriller, comedy hybrid or whatever (depending on the tone of the film mostly). It was never a big subgenre in italy, although there were the usual knock offs ofcourse ;)

I agree with your comment about grindhouse-like marketing use of terms like that. I don’t know exactly what you mean with westerners, since it seems americans are a bit more often fond of several of those grindhouse liketerms than in italy or some other european countries (sorry!). I can understand why people like to use these though since it will be easier for people to discover similar movies and genres. and it helps at the cash registr too ofcourse!

]]> by: cinebeats http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2010 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:21:43 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2010 I completely agree that "thriller italiano" is a much clearer term to use when describing movies like this. I'm really surprised that there doesn't seem to be an Italian term for "heist" movie or "caper" film since that's really what <b>The Devil with Seven Faces</b> is even with the "mystery" elements. It's similar to other Italian heist films such as Giuliano Montaldo's far superior <b>Grand Slam</b> and I've never seen <b>Grand Slam</b> referred to to as a giallo or a poliziottesco. Why is that? Curious minds need to know and I appreciate your feedback! I only wish I could speak Italian myself. My father was Italian and spoke the language but unfortunately he passed away when I was really young. I've been baffled by the nondiscriminatory way westerners seem to often be throwing around terms like giallo and poliziotteschi in recent years so I try to be more discriminate myself. I honestly believe they're turning into catch phrases to sell movies or to grab a reader's attention (when used by critics) much the same way "grindhouse" is. I completely agree that “thriller italiano” is a much clearer term to use when describing movies like this. I’m really surprised that there doesn’t seem to be an Italian term for “heist” movie or “caper” film since that’s really what The Devil with Seven Faces is even with the “mystery” elements. It’s similar to other Italian heist films such as Giuliano Montaldo’s far superior Grand Slam and I’ve never seen Grand Slam referred to to as a giallo or a poliziottesco. Why is that? Curious minds need to know and I appreciate your feedback! I only wish I could speak Italian myself. My father was Italian and spoke the language but unfortunately he passed away when I was really young.

I’ve been baffled by the nondiscriminatory way westerners seem to often be throwing around terms like giallo and poliziotteschi in recent years so I try to be more discriminate myself. I honestly believe they’re turning into catch phrases to sell movies or to grab a reader’s attention (when used by critics) much the same way “grindhouse” is.

]]> by: claudio http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2009 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:45:02 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2009 The use of the term giallo is a bit problematic in almost all foreign (non italian) film writing. They are used in very different ways than in italy. For instance, a giallo also means books ofcourse (like chandler, christie, wallace etc) or television series. A Poliziottesco is much more easy to define than a giallo since in italy it refers direclty to the 70s italian action movies, with stars like merli, milian, silva etc. These films are more about the toughness of city streets, action and the battle between police figures/antiheros and crime and underworld people. I'd say for instance that in Civirani's film the reliance on mystery elements (who is doing what to who?) and plot twists take it in a direction away from the action and testosteron filled poliziotteschi and more into what people would call a giallo or in italy: thriller italiano (a much clearer term than giallo i think). At least in italy this film is not regarded as much of a poliziottesco. The use of the term giallo is a bit problematic in almost all foreign (non italian) film writing. They are used in very different ways than in italy. For instance, a giallo also means books ofcourse (like chandler, christie, wallace etc) or television series. A Poliziottesco is much more easy to define than a giallo since in italy it refers direclty to the 70s italian action movies, with stars like merli, milian, silva etc. These films are more about the toughness of city streets, action and the battle between police figures/antiheros and crime and underworld people. I’d say for instance that in Civirani’s film the reliance on mystery elements (who is doing what to who?) and plot twists take it in a direction away from the action and testosteron filled poliziotteschi and more into what people would call a giallo or in italy: thriller italiano (a much clearer term than giallo i think). At least in italy this film is not regarded as much of a poliziottesco.

]]> by: cinebeats http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2008 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:03:26 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2008 <i>But it is a giallo, in italy any thriller is called a giallo and there’s certainly no set template for an italian film thriller to be called a giallo or not</i> There may be no template for thrillers but from all the sources I've read about gialli films in the past 20 years, the movies are usually based on an existing texts (crime/murder/horror novels) or as you say, they're thrillers. This film had no real thrills (at least for me anyway). It's simply an original crime film or as I mentioned above, a heist film. I think it has much more in common with Italian poliziotteschi films than Italian gialli films. Clearly some see it as giallo but if I was going to use an Italian term to describe <b>The Devil with Seven Faces</b> I think poliziotteschi would be more appropriate. But it is a giallo, in italy any thriller is called a giallo and there’s certainly no set template for an italian film thriller to be called a giallo or not

There may be no template for thrillers but from all the sources I’ve read about gialli films in the past 20 years, the movies are usually based on an existing texts (crime/murder/horror novels) or as you say, they’re thrillers. This film had no real thrills (at least for me anyway). It’s simply an original crime film or as I mentioned above, a heist film. I think it has much more in common with Italian poliziotteschi films than Italian gialli films. Clearly some see it as giallo but if I was going to use an Italian term to describe The Devil with Seven Faces I think poliziotteschi would be more appropriate.

]]> by: claudio http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2006 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:47:29 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2006 I agree it's a mediocre film, though i did enjoy it. But it is a giallo, in italy any thriller is called a giallo and there's certainly no set template for an italian film thriller to be called a giallo or not. It really goes beyond the argento black glove type killers. As you say though, also a great soundtrack by cipriani. I agree it’s a mediocre film, though i did enjoy it. But it is a giallo, in italy any thriller is called a giallo and there’s certainly no set template for an italian film thriller to be called a giallo or not. It really goes beyond the argento black glove type killers. As you say though, also a great soundtrack by cipriani.

]]> by: cinebeats http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2004 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:09:29 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2004 I wish I had enjoyed it as much as you did, Nigel! Unfortunately it just failed on too many levels for me to fully enjoy it. I think my expectations were much too high and I've seen so many good heist movies that I just expected a lot more from the cast, etc. I wish I had enjoyed it as much as you did, Nigel! Unfortunately it just failed on too many levels for me to fully enjoy it. I think my expectations were much too high and I’ve seen so many good heist movies that I just expected a lot more from the cast, etc.

]]> by: Nigel M http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2000 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:46:08 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-2000 Definately not a Giallo, Definately Lacking In Suspense. All true. But I will say this one of my favourite genre pieces from Italy. It has a charrm all of its own- it may be inn the soundtrack or the locations- didn't this one have a little chase around a windmill. Hiltons racing jacket is way cool. I bought a budget end release of this and the picture quality wasnt up to much but the film I love - I think I described it on bloody italiana as how I would a film made by the band St Ettiene to look. http://bloodyitaliana.blogspot.com/2007/12/osvaldo-civiranis-devil-has-seven-faces.html yeah I loved this. But as I wrote at the time when I reviewed it, "if you come across an inexpensive copy and you have a few coins to spare why not just take a chance and see for yourself if you find it as enchanting as I did. If you don't get it however, remember, love is a very personal thing." but also wrote: "Its hard to say why I precisely I love this film. It is certainly not for everyone and I will not recommend it as such because it may just be something personal to me." seems I got that bit right :) Definately not a Giallo,
Definately Lacking In Suspense.

All true. But I will say this one of my favourite genre pieces from Italy. It has a charrm all of its own- it may be inn the soundtrack or the locations- didn’t this one have a little chase around a windmill. Hiltons racing jacket is way cool.

I bought a budget end release of this and the picture quality wasnt up to much but the film I love - I think I described it on bloody italiana as how I would a film made by the band St Ettiene to look.

http://bloodyitaliana.blogspot.com/2007/12/osvaldo-civiranis-devil-has-seven-faces.html

yeah I loved this. But as I wrote at the time when I reviewed it,

“if you come across an inexpensive copy and you have a few coins to spare why not just take a chance and see for yourself if you find it as enchanting as I did. If you don’t get it however, remember, love is a very personal thing.”

but also wrote:

“Its hard to say why I precisely I love this film. It is certainly not for everyone and I will not recommend it as such because it may just be something personal to me.”

seems I got that bit right :)

]]> by: Parantar http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-1998 Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:57:15 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-1998 i like this movie... but as little bit oldy i like this movie… but as little bit oldy

]]> by: cinebeats http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-1980 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:13:32 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-1980 Ha! How about a shake? Ha! How about a shake?

]]> by: ARBOGAST http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-1979 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:48:36 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-1979 Ha ha, "Ronald McDonald wig." I'm laffin! Can I get fries with that? Ha ha, “Ronald McDonald wig.” I’m laffin! Can I get fries with that?

]]> by: cinebeats http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-1976 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:12:53 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-1976 Thanks Andrew. Now the soundtrack is something I would buy! Hopefully it will get released in the future because it was fantastic. It's just a shame that the movie wasn't as good as it should have been. So much wasted potential and good ideas. I love Lenzi's films but I think there's a reason the director of this movie didn't make many more movies. He's no Lenzi! Thanks Andrew. Now the soundtrack is something I would buy! Hopefully it will get released in the future because it was fantastic. It’s just a shame that the movie wasn’t as good as it should have been. So much wasted potential and good ideas. I love Lenzi’s films but I think there’s a reason the director of this movie didn’t make many more movies. He’s no Lenzi!

]]> by: Andrew Monroe http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-1975 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:43:23 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-1975 Nice article on an admittedly mediocre film. I did bump my estimation up a few notches after seeing the German Simple Movie dvd, seeing a film widescreen almost always helps a bit. It`s nowhere near the league of the terrific Baker/Lenzi films but there`s something oddly compelling about even this one - for me at least. That fabulous score, a blue wig, and that certain something that almost all Italian genre films of the late 60s/early 70s have made this worth it for myself...that German disc was released with about 4 different covers so it`s probably still out there for interested parties. I suspect it wasn`t a monster seller. Digitmovies should jump on this soundtrack toot sweet! Nice article on an admittedly mediocre film. I did bump my estimation up a few notches after seeing the German Simple Movie dvd, seeing a film widescreen almost always helps a bit. It`s nowhere near the league of the terrific Baker/Lenzi films but there`s something oddly compelling about even this one - for me at least. That fabulous score, a blue wig, and that certain something that almost all Italian genre films of the late 60s/early 70s have made this worth it for myself…that German disc was released with about 4 different covers so it`s probably still out there for interested parties. I suspect it wasn`t a monster seller. Digitmovies should jump on this soundtrack toot sweet!

]]> by: cinebeats http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-1974 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:54:38 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-1974 Jonathan - Pigozzi has shown up in so many European thrillers I've seen that I tend to take him for granted but he can be really good at times. Unfortunately like everyone in the movie, he wasn't given much to do here. As for the wigs . . . all I can say is, what the hell? The red one isn't too bad but the blue one is just unreal! It would have helped if it actually fit Baker but it's clearly falling off her head. Why didn't the director say CUT and ask the hairstylist to fix it? Inquiring minds need to know!!! It should be noted that I rewatched that scene with Baker's blue wig twice just to try and figure out what was going on there. Bill - Thanks a lot and best of luck with your blog! But in all honesty not a lot of research went into this review. It's one of the quickest reviews I've probably written and posted. In my experience research just sort of happens naturally when/if you're interested in particular things about a film. I happen to love the composers I mentioned above for example so I tossed some thoughts about the soundtrack into my review, but I'm pretty sure that most people who see the film won't know or care who Cipriani and Orlandi are. Mike - Thanks for sharing those screen caps! I think you'd find yourself watching all 90 minutes of the movie like I did if you don't get too bored just because Hilton does own the show! Some of the directing and editing problems are probably due to the print I watched too so you might even enjoy the movie more. But man, oh man, it's dull! Richard - Very true! Expectations play a big part in why anyone enjoys anything. My expectations were high for this due to the cast, composers and themes (of course I also assumed it was a giallo and not a heist film). Jonathan - Pigozzi has shown up in so many European thrillers I’ve seen that I tend to take him for granted but he can be really good at times. Unfortunately like everyone in the movie, he wasn’t given much to do here. As for the wigs . . . all I can say is, what the hell? The red one isn’t too bad but the blue one is just unreal! It would have helped if it actually fit Baker but it’s clearly falling off her head. Why didn’t the director say CUT and ask the hairstylist to fix it? Inquiring minds need to know!!! It should be noted that I rewatched that scene with Baker’s blue wig twice just to try and figure out what was going on there.

Bill - Thanks a lot and best of luck with your blog! But in all honesty not a lot of research went into this review. It’s one of the quickest reviews I’ve probably written and posted. In my experience research just sort of happens naturally when/if you’re interested in particular things about a film. I happen to love the composers I mentioned above for example so I tossed some thoughts about the soundtrack into my review, but I’m pretty sure that most people who see the film won’t know or care who Cipriani and Orlandi are.

Mike - Thanks for sharing those screen caps! I think you’d find yourself watching all 90 minutes of the movie like I did if you don’t get too bored just because Hilton does own the show! Some of the directing and editing problems are probably due to the print I watched too so you might even enjoy the movie more. But man, oh man, it’s dull!

Richard - Very true! Expectations play a big part in why anyone enjoys anything. My expectations were high for this due to the cast, composers and themes (of course I also assumed it was a giallo and not a heist film).

]]> by: Richard Doyle http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-1973 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:54:18 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-1973 I enjoyed this film more than you did, even though I really don't disagree with you about any of the specifics. I think it was entirely a matter of expectations. I own this as part of Mill Creek's 50 Drive-In Movies set. I don't think I need to tell you that the majority of the films in a 50 film set of public domain flicks you get for about $20 are TERRIBLE, so I expected very little from this. I has had very little information about it. It was the first film I watched in the set, and every plus point you mention made the movie a little bit better than I expected it to be. I think expectations play a very big role in how enjoyable you find a movie to be. I enjoyed this film more than you did, even though I really don’t disagree with you about any of the specifics. I think it was entirely a matter of expectations. I own this as part of Mill Creek’s 50 Drive-In Movies set. I don’t think I need to tell you that the majority of the films in a 50 film set of public domain flicks you get for about $20 are TERRIBLE, so I expected very little from this. I has had very little information about it.

It was the first film I watched in the set, and every plus point you mention made the movie a little bit better than I expected it to be. I think expectations play a very big role in how enjoyable you find a movie to be.

]]> by: mike http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-1972 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:32:13 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-1972 whoops, I guess I can't post images in the comment thread here, so here's some direct links: http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b392/mikekitchell/bscap0002-1.jpg http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b392/mikekitchell/bscap0000-1.jpg whoops, I guess I can’t post images in the comment thread here, so here’s some direct links:

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]]> by: mike http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-1971 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:31:25 +0100 http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/the-devil-has-seven-faces-1971/#comment-1971 Hah! In all honesty, I think I will end up watching this because George looks <i>good</i> in those caps! And there's actually been a cleaned up German widescreen DVD release that's English dubbed: Hah! In all honesty, I think I will end up watching this because George looks good in those caps!

And there’s actually been a cleaned up German widescreen DVD release that’s English dubbed:

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